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Im going to be getting a canon Xsi and it seems the cheapest is on amazon. if anyone has any other sites with it cheaper then 480 shipped let me know.
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Im going to be getting a canon Xsi and it seems the cheapest is on amazon. if anyone has any other sites with it cheaper then 480 shipped let me know.
gettin it cause its cheap, ya buddy...starting off great
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gettin it cause its cheap, ya buddy...starting off great
well im pretty sure that is a decent camera to start off with, why not get it new as cheap as possible?
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well im pretty sure that is a decent camera to start off with, why not get it new as cheap as possible?
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well im pretty sure that is a decent camera to start off with, why not get it new as cheap as possible?

get a canon ae-1.
much cheaper and youll learn a lot faster.
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get a canon ae-1.
much cheaper and youll learn a lot faster.
Really? Someone will learn a lot faster shooting a roll at a time and waiting for results than someone firing off digital frames hundreds at a time and instantly seeing and adjusting their results? I completely disagree that shooting film will make you learn photography faster. I think it helps with considerations in a shot(composition, light, etc), but there's a huge learning curve with digital.
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Just found this.

Before I Hit the Shutter I Ask Myself:

What mode do I want to shoot in? Manual, AP, SP, Auto or a pre-programed mode?
If Im using a pre-set, what F-Stop or Shutter Speed am I going to use?
What format do I want to shoot in RAW or jpeg?
Whats my ISO? Is it fast/slow enough?
Too grainy for the shot?
What White Balance am I set on?
Do I need to set custom White Balance?
Did I bring my 18% Grey Card?
What Metering Mode should I be on?
What Colour setting do I need?
Am I going to use Manual or Auto Focus?
Do I want to Bracket the shot?
Am I going to use a Flash?
And how am I going to use it?
What story am I trying to tell?
Do I need to change lenses?
If so, which one?
Am I shooting in Landscape or Portrait perspective, or even a jaunty angle?
Do I need to use a Tripod?
Will I use the Rule of Thirds or break it?
What other rules should I be following?
Are there Leading Lines I can use in the shot?
What about finding an S-curve for the leading line?
Is there any thing I can use to Frame my picture? e.g. Tree branches.
Will I change this to B&W, Sepia or something else post production?
Do I have a Focal Point?
Is my subject Moving or Stationary?
For Moving Subjects, do I want to Pan the shot, Blur the background or Blur the subject?
Is there a Pattern I can pick up on?
Hows the lighting? Are the shadows strong or weak?
Do I want to emphasize them?
Is the light too strong?
Will it wash out detail?
Is my horizon straight?
Can I get this at a better angle?
Should I wait for better lighting?
What does the light meter read?
Should I increase shutter speed or open up the aperture?
Is it in focus?
Did I just miss a great shot?
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Just found this.

Before I Hit the Shutter I Ask Myself:

What mode do I want to shoot in? Manual, AP, SP, Auto or a pre-programed mode?
If Im using a pre-set, what F-Stop or Shutter Speed am I going to use?
What format do I want to shoot in RAW or jpeg?
Whats my ISO? Is it fast/slow enough?
Too grainy for the shot?
What White Balance am I set on?
Do I need to set custom White Balance?
Did I bring my 18% Grey Card?
What Metering Mode should I be on?
What Colour setting do I need?
Am I going to use Manual or Auto Focus?
Do I want to Bracket the shot?
Am I going to use a Flash?
And how am I going to use it?
What story am I trying to tell?
Do I need to change lenses?
If so, which one?
Am I shooting in Landscape or Portrait perspective, or even a jaunty angle?
Do I need to use a Tripod?
Will I use the Rule of Thirds or break it?
What other rules should I be following?
Are there Leading Lines I can use in the shot?
What about finding an S-curve for the leading line?
Is there any thing I can use to Frame my picture? e.g. Tree branches.
Will I change this to B&W, Sepia or something else post production?
Do I have a Focal Point?
Is my subject Moving or Stationary?
For Moving Subjects, do I want to Pan the shot, Blur the background or Blur the subject?
Is there a Pattern I can pick up on?
Hows the lighting? Are the shadows strong or weak?
Do I want to emphasize them?
Is the light too strong?
Will it wash out detail?
Is my horizon straight?
Can I get this at a better angle?
Should I wait for better lighting?
What does the light meter read?
Should I increase shutter speed or open up the aperture?
Is it in focus?
Did I just miss a great shot?
What works for one man should be what you base your images on. I do make alot of those decesions, but dont think of them as rules.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:50 PM
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Oh I know that I wasn't implying you should definitely stick to these but they're definitely worth thinking about. I'd think of roughly 70% of these things before every shot.
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Its wierd becuase most of all that you do without even thinking.
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Really? Someone will learn a lot faster shooting a roll at a time and waiting for results than someone firing off digital frames hundreds at a time and instantly seeing and adjusting their results? I completely disagree that shooting film will make you learn photography faster. I think it helps with considerations in a shot(composition, light, etc), but there's a huge learning curve with digital.

well the only reason why i say that is because now a days digital cameras make things so easy it makes you lazy to want to learn why.

for example; iso. had no fucking clue what it was for the longest time just knew what it did to the picture; apreture, again had no idea what the concept of light was just knew what it did.

pretty much all i see, and you probably see this more so than i because your more knowledgeable, is kids parents buying them a camera. setting it to auto and adjusting contrast and saturation sliders. and that is and never will be what photography is about.


i watched a video of ansel adams the other day and him doing a landscape portrait of a beach or whatever. took the picture(large format), saw what it looked like and said ok well this is what i could do to change the shadows in this spot and this what i can do here yata yata yata.

now a days its just, 'o fuck it, thats what they make photoshop for.'
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it almost pisses me off when people tell me that i should go back and change things on my pictures because i like to keep as close to the original as possible. obviously i do adjust things just like anyone in a real darkroom would but i dont sit there for hours trying to make a fake exposure because i couldnt do it from the start.

know what i mean.
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it almost pisses me off when people tell me that i should go back and change things on my pictures because i like to keep as close to the original as possible. obviously i do adjust things just like anyone in a real darkroom would but i dont sit there for hours trying to make a fake exposure because i couldnt do it from the start.

darkroom work can get as tricky and as tasteless has photoshop can. adams also said something like, "the negative is the score and the print is the concert," so whether film or digital you're still having to do post work. if you dont learn to do it skillfully you are selling yourself way short. even glass plate photographers do darkroom or post work if you want to look at it that way.

this is the bottom line. if someone wants to learn photo, they're going to do it with whatever tool they have. if they don't, they'll post crappy photos for a month and then quite. no need to tell them to learn one way or another because if they really like it, they'll learn it. digital has great qualities, and film does too. they both have their place. its about researching and then practicing, and then you have to learn to walk on your own with it. at some point technique becomes secondary to your vision for a photograph. honestly, i shot film for several years, but i didnt learn the craft until i started with digital. i started using flash long before i had a suitable understanding of exposure, and i just kind of fumbled around until i started to grasp things. i had way too many lenses before i understood what they all did, but i still learned. i think i learned faster because of it, and noone on an internet forum will convince me otherwise.

im not a master by any means, but i shoot pretty consistent photos at this point. i learn something new most times i pick up a camera, and thats the most important part, i think. its not worth getting all bent out of shape because people arent learning the way you did.
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darkroom work can get as tricky and as tasteless has photoshop can. adams also said something like, "the negative is the score and the print is the concert," so whether film or digital you're still having to do post work. if you dont learn to do it skillfully you are selling yourself way short. even glass plate photographers do darkroom or post work if you want to look at it that way.

this is the bottom line. if someone wants to learn photo, they're going to do it with whatever tool they have. if they don't, they'll post crappy photos for a month and then quite. no need to tell them to learn one way or another because if they really like it, they'll learn it. digital has great qualities, and film does too. they both have their place. its about researching and then practicing, and then you have to learn to walk on your own with it. at some point technique becomes secondary to your vision for a photograph. honestly, i shot film for several years, but i didnt learn the craft until i started with digital. i started using flash long before i had a suitable understanding of exposure, and i just kind of fumbled around until i started to grasp things. i had way too many lenses before i understood what they all did, but i still learned. i think i learned faster because of it, and noone on an internet forum will convince me otherwise.

im not a master by any means, but i shoot pretty consistent photos at this point. i learn something new most times i pick up a camera, and thats the most important part, i think. its not worth getting all bent out of shape because people arent learning the way you did.
yeah i totally understand. i have a bad habit of casually cursing and i think it throws people of thinking that im pissed. by no means am i trying to down ANY ONE way of learning.

im going to be honest the top 5 consistent posters in the photo thread in a non photography forum taught me 5x more than my photography class in high school EVER did.

and for a while i almost walked in the door with a check ready to go to the Art Institute of Ft Lauderdale. because i thought that one person could show me the light of photography. but i realized that every one person has a different approach. mine is this board, asking random people questions and more so than not you tube and google.
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its not perfect but i hope it gets most of the main questions answered. Ive wanted to do this for a while because i was so sick of having to type up parts of this for beginners when id rather just have a thread like this to direct them too. This should also cut down on so many new threads asking questions that have been asked before.
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this thread is saving my life since i'm pretty new to photography or at least really trying to understand it. Much appreciation!
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I would have also focused on places and websites to buy their stuff from. i mean its obvious that most people buy stuff from ebay, but i just recently found out about adorama and flash zebra. i wish that i would have bought my 30d brand new from B&H and got the warranty on it instead of buying from bumfuck egypt on ebay and not really having any coverage on it.
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I would have also focused on places and websites to buy their stuff from. i mean its obvious that most people buy stuff from ebay, but i just recently found out about adorama and flash zebra. i wish that i would have bought my 30d brand new from B&H and got the warranty on it instead of buying from bumfuck egypt on ebay and not really having any coverage on it.
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o really, that resembles alot of what i said earlier in this thread.
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i would have also focused on places and websites to buy their stuff from. i mean its obvious that most people buy stuff from ebay, but i just recently found out about adorama and flash zebra. i wish that i would have bought my 30d brand new from B&H and got the warranty on it instead of buying from bumfuck egypt on ebay and not really having any coverage on it.
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